How to Sue Apple
I got this inquiry:
I decided to file my own small claims case against Apple & Tim Cook. I would love to speak with you for any tips about the Touch Disease case as I am not a technical guy. I just know that the phone went blank and I encountered the same problems everyone else did.
This was in reference to these posts: Apple Touch Disease, I will be Seeing Apple in Court, and I Beat Apple.
Here’s my response:
Apple plays hardball. They are like Disney: They are all soft and hip on the outside but when it comes to legal things they play hardball. You can win if you are prepared and have legal grounds.
They will not send a lawyer to small claims because it’s not big enough to be worth their time. They will send a manager and perhaps an area manager. In my experience these managers will be very self-confident and will just assume that the goodness of Apple will be self-apparent to the judge. That is, they will not be well prepared.
Do not expect them to settle or budge before the trial. In my experience they immediately took a hard line approach once I filed the small claims case. They would neither communicate nor be reasonable. I was instantly the “enemy” in their mind. The facts of the case didn’t matter. If I was willing to attack Apple I was the enemy.
You need to be able to present your case in 5~10 minutes. Be clear and don’t whine. Explain in a calm voice what the facts are to the judge. Explain why you have a right to what you are asking for. Expect Apple to defend themselves as follows:
- The item is out of warranty and we have no obligation to fix it.
- We professionally inspected the items and in our experience the items were dropped/damaged/mis-handled.
- If the customer had only been reasonable and visited our store one more time we would have been happy to try to see what we could do. We know he visited 17 previous times, but I can personally assure him that our best Genius Bar technicians will look at the phones.
- We didn’t know.
- The customer is responsible for damage.
With that said your defense should be adapted to your actual facts but something like this:
- The phone doesn’t work.
- It didn’t work out of the box.
- It was replaced three times and each time suffered from the same touch-disease.
- Here is what touch-disease is and it is a common problem. Here is a printout from others describing the problem.
- The phones were in warranty.
- Here is the phone. Look at it yourself…here. You will see no damage. No dents or scratches.
- I am not a technical guy. The screen just went black. It was within the warranty period and Apple won’t fix it. (Or, if not in warranty then you have an uphill battle but could claim: This is a common DEFECT that this model suffers, and Apple knows it. Look, the phone hasn’t been damaged. And, three of them right out of the box had the same problem.
You have a decent enough chance of winning as long as you are reasonable, tried working with Apple, haven’t damaged the phone, and you just want it to work.
As for the lingering class action case, this works against you. You are probably a member of the class and as such the judge has been pre-empted and you probably do not have standing to independently sue Apple. So don’t bring this up. (If you don’t raise the issue, Apple likely won’t and the Judge won’t likely know.) There is no obligation to mention this in Small Claims. So don’t do it.
What you can do is to provide some anecdotal evidence that this is a widespread problem and you are not alone.
The victory against Apple is a sweet one! You should have seen the stunned look on the store manager’s and regional manager’s faces when the judge ruled against them. They were just dumbfounded that he didn’t see the glories and virtue of Apple.
Oh, one last thing…and this is an important one…
In small claims you cannot request the judge to compel action. You can only sue for monetary damages. The judge CANNOT order Apple to fix or replace the phone. He can only award a money damage.
So when he asks what you want, you can phrase it like this: “I want Apple to either fix the phone or else to refund me the purchase price of $X.xx”. Of course, he cannot compel them to fix the phone, but he can ask them if they would prefer to refund the money or to fix it and Apple CAN agree to fix it. So phrasing it this way leaves options open. What the Judge is really saying is: “If you don’t fix this phone you will refund it”. Apple will then have a choice. This option makes you seem reasonable and makes Apple seem unreasonable.
And, if the judge orders a refund you will be required to turn the phone in. Either be prepared to hand it in to Apple immediately right there or soon after the judgment. It is your responsibility to back up your data.
In my case, I had wiped out the computer and it was in my suitcase. The judge ordered Apple to refund my purchase price upon my return of the computer. I whipped out the computer and immediately handed it to them. They had a somewhat stunned look on their faces as I gave it to them. The judge then asked if it was the computer and they agreed it was, and the judge immediately modified the order for Apple to issue a refund.
Apple then had 30 days to issue the refund. On day 28 the check showed up in the mail for the full refunded price plus sales tax plus the court filing fees.
Good luck!
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Hi
Well done on this – i find myself in a situation where Apple damaged my phone and refuse to accept responsibility.
Please can you tell me what the name and address defendants would be as I will need to file the small claims and will need the address to serve the papers.
many thanks
Sher
I purchased a faulty air mac and did receive the refund but not the 100.00 i put out at the senior techs instruction for erasure of partial migration, which was the initail problem. Although promised the re-imbursment, and again when the tech at my local shop spoke with her prior to fixing. Instead I was offered 100.00 off another Apple product. Which effectively make Apple a lying thief, and me a pasty if I buy another Apple product, as there aren’t enough hours in a week to go through Support if you want a life.
my question, I would be willing to pay the 15.00 to take Apple to small claims court if I stood a chance of getting re-imbursed for 100.00. I didn’t harm this product, it was faulty on arrival, and they knew it. My local computer shop was aware of this problem. Do I stand a chance of getting my money?
I am going to file a claim also because Apple diagnosed that my ipad’s battery is faulty and they agreed to replace it. However, when I mentioned the screen was cracked, and I didn’t want it fixed because it still works, they refused to replace it unless I paid $249 plus tax. As I understand, this model cannot have a battery replaced, the technician told me that in writing. Its 7th generation, model MW772LLA. So basically the screen will be fixed when it is returned to me but they will not replace the faulty ipad unless I pay $249 or get it fixed and then ship it to them. I am going to call one more time to see if they will refund it but I know they won’t. What contact information for Apple did you need when you filed in civil court?
Colin,
Great article. I am in a similar situation now. After a battery failed prematurely, and two Re-opened tickets, they mysteriously found water damage the third time I returned it.
I have no idea where to start and could use some details. If you have a few minutes please reach out to me. My contact info is below.
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